Holistic Economics in the Age of Bitcoin

all right we're live thank you everyone for being on this live stream uh we managed to port through multiple platforms here uh facebook youtube periscope and uh you know it's sort of a last hurrah for centralized media wouldn't you say mike i was just gonna say yeah all the corporate slave master systems awesome just going going right there to the juggler well first of all i want people to understand that for me this is recreational because i often do live streams on topics that are very

dark let's say which is basically current events and i do it out of a sense of obligation more than it feels like it feeds me and this is what feeds me this is what gives me passion inspiration and that's you know mike and i have had so many conversations now on telegram just back and forth i'm asking him questions about this space and he has given me so many red pills if you will that every time i'm like i just want to i just wanna put

that info out like as quiet as possible because for me the philosophical aspects of this are what you know are so like like medicine like to me and people don't know me from that perspective because they know me more as agreement info and evidence-based this and that and i still hold tight to that expectation that if we're going to say stuff on this broadcast that you know people are going to want to fact check uh great we'll give as many references as possible but this is

deeper than that this is about us connecting to the inner knowledge and wisdom that we all have that's been buried and now it's coming out and flowering and to me mike you're one of those guys out there that is connecting those dots providing inspiration and your energy is amazing like real quick we did a spoon bending exercise with our colleague edith i i was sitting there just like hopelessly and then i looked over we were on this like zoom and your your spoon was just bending

and you were like had all this chi energy in your face i was like you know what this guy mike is really he's got something i don't have yet so and then i got to know more about your like passion and this space around what's happening so i just i'm really excited to have you on and want more people to know about you and what you do so you know maybe if you want just go right into it we can also do an outro sort of

like mini bio but if you want to go into what's most present to you right now i'd almost prefer that versus getting into our histories yeah yeah yeah i and also i kind of went deep into that on our first chat with um jason when we did the first quartal uh talk so if people want to go back and watch that one on greenmedinfo's youtube channel i kind of gave my background a little bit because i'm definitely not traditional i don't come from a traditional finance

or fintech background i did go to university it's in ucs santa barbara and that was a great experience but i was a film major and a history major as a double major there i i worked in hollywood in the independent side of things i've always been kind of an outcast and as an underground house dj throwing raves and festivals and and all that um i've always been really in tune with um kind of counterculture and um never felt really secure in mainstream uh and i feel

like that's what attracted me to bitcoin uh and crypto originally was that i sought as finally an answer to uh my question on why um is there an all-seeing eye on the dollar bill right like oh my god right why why are the twin towers burning on the 20 or whatever that is right when you do all that because i've been really passionate about the esoteric about the occult um and understanding all that and understanding reality in a broader spectrum and thanks to my dad which

i talked about in the previous interview uh introducing me to the book the creature from jekyll island when i was like 19 20 when i was in college which is the the really um important book everyone should read uh which really details the creation of the fed and um the the current fiat system that we're all under and the way the banking system works which is essentially um neo-feudalism and um it was really an eye-opener to me and something that i i just couldn't wrap my

head around and and also um something where i realized there's got to be a solution right there's got to be a way that we as a sovereign infinite consciousness can come together and create better solutions so as soon as i learned about bitcoin through um the more like truth or channels um when it first came out there was a lot of like i was really into um as like embracing libertarian ideals i was a huge ron paul supporter when ron paul was running for president the

first go-around and um that was right around when bitcoin first came onto the scene a little bit after that and there was that those types of circles were talking about it and it was really something that was eye-opening for me but i didn't get the technology i wasn't quite i was at that time working in independent um television in media and i hadn't really gotten so deep into tech yet that came a little bit later when i started doing web development and really learning technology better

so for me just like a lot of people when they first learn about bitcoin we're like whoa this is seems really complicated um especially back then there was no way to onboard in you basically had to mine it or go through some dark you know some deeper channels to get the actual bitcoin and so um long story short i didn't really i i did learn how to mine it and then i lost those coins as a lot of people did in the beginning and they're on

like a hard drive somewhere it's probably now a couple hundred thousand dollars or more worth of bitcoin um but that being said i i i left it would come back it kept calling me back in 2014 2015 is really when i jumped in into into into the blockchain technology that was what really started to attract me more bitcoin of course but then when i started to see that the larger ramifications of a public decentralized ledger or what i call like a public truth machine um was

what really started because at that point i had gotten into um alpha vedic which is what you're familiar with with dr berlando and alternative health and wellness and also had been doing stuff in tech i'd actually tried to do a reality tv show about um hackathons uh and so i was i was in silicon valley shooting and kind of embedded in that um in that entire culture and saw just how gross it was and it reminded me in some ways of hollywood except i mean the

empowering thing about technolo that the tech industry was that you could come up from anywhere if you had the great idea and you had the ability to get the funding and you were disruptive or hollywood it really isn't old like the um the the the casting couch thing is real right um so that was kind of that was really cool to me but then i saw just how uh it had a lot of the same elements of control and centralization and manipulation and and co-opting great

ideas uh into nefarious things so to me i saw a lot of pitfalls with uh silicon valley which we now see um which is you know more obvious than ever now with the great reset so um yeah um it kind of kind of grew from there and then i was fortunate enough to work on a on a privacy coin um so i got to start working um with the with an inner development team uh on a crypto that was kind of like the old school mentality

it wasn't an ico it wasn't uh corporately owned it was very much like a bitcoin in the sense that it was just people volunteering their time and i got to get a lot of the inside baseball on the cryptocurrencies um kind of inside scene with the developers and how corrupt it is and um how there's a lot of these elements of the cypherpunk movement that got corrupted by greed and a lot of scams so my eyes are really open to that and how many coins out

there are inherently corrupt and and so yeah so let me take this anywhere that's good that's a great intro because that's why i reached out to you because you have such a um you know background in the history of the space and also because you have uh stood out among many as being focused entirely on what you would call like an ethical imperative or you're really trying to serve people and to me in this moment when right now there's like trillions of dollars at stake right

now with many of these projects which actually are based on relatively um you know problematic principles i'd like you to talk more and i know you will today because the title is on holistic economy and i know you've distilled five principles but more about you know what is it to have like a code base in projects like chordal or bitcoin that have a certain ethics built in or a certain type of natural law because this concept is just really amazing to me or democratic principles you

know that sort of concept written into code well yeah that's so that's why it's very important first and foremost to have some basic elements to any cryptocurrency project you're looking at to understand if that it is according to natural law and what we mean by natural law are just the fundamental principles of how the universe works that we must all adhere to to thrive and to um experience this reality uh as is intended by the creator and whatever you want to uh you know put the

creator whether capital g god or source or or or collective consciousness whatever we want to call it um that's i i think extremely important to know and even if you're atheist or agnostic um there is still a natural law that defines um the way this this reality works even if you believe in simulation theory or whatnot and i believe that that has been inherently um uh eroded and disrupt and basically trampled upon by centralized forces that use uh inflationary debt based systems uh to um really

prey upon um humanities you know avarice our greed are um that side of our polarity right um and we're seeing it more than ever in current society because we've become addicted to debt we've we've become addicted to the this debt system that we're all enslaved under right now and you know the debt system's done wonderful things in on some respects because it's allowed for innovations it's allowed for short-term growth but in the end it it's like any ponzi scheme it's going to collapse the house of

cards is very fragile and a fragile foundation and in the end we pay a much heavier price than um what we get out of it and we're seeing that with as all systems are failing right now and that's why we have everything that's going on right now it's and so that's why when you drive around your average community in the west especially what do you see you see buildings without any um inherent beauty to them they're all based around um uh you know the the just-in-time

model the the now the the the profit model um there's no long-term time preference with this model everything's now now now now and and and you know the generations to come well you'll have to figure it out and of course we're now those generations to come and now we're screwed right now so um that being said what is natural law i mean there's an entire course works on that and you know i don't want to spin off on too much on that but if we understand

the fundamentals that we're all individualized consciousness we're all free to inherently uh experience that um that basically um the laws of nature cannot be manipulated and controlled and corrupted by human consciousness because every time we do that the systems fail and nature what is nature nature is inherently abundant nature is inherently individualized and and um cooperative and these are all elements that i've built into this holistic economic model where basically we're just trying to uh mirror nature as best as we can and and and taking

principles from stuff like permaculture and regenerative agriculture and regenerative um and bio-terrain medicine and understanding the terrain of of of our economy and our society in a way that we can work and collaborate and cooperate in many ways that like indigenous cultures have shown in the past which are much more self-sustaining right we've seen within indigenous cultures um that they've been able to last for thousands of years um because they understand inherently the laws of nature and universal law so if we can understand that we

can understand that if we can cooperate with nature with ourselves and understand these laws and put them into an open source code base that is inherently immutable but also um uh has consensus amongst the entire network or the community that that comes to a consensus that we agree this is the inherent truth that we understand we can all see it there's nothing hidden behind any closed doors there's nothing manipulated and then thus we can use that as sort of a a constitution or a means to

have that collaboration move forward in the same way we would have like a charter or we would have an um uh you know original governance from like the magna carta or the u.s constitution but in a way that even then is more based upon sovereignty and the based upon individual rule of our own cells based on natural law in ways like tied to anarchy right we can have that in a code base that then um essentially allows for that to be the immutable truth that we

all then work off of and that will relate to how our money works how to or how our civics works how um we relate in commerce how we relate um in in our cultural interactions um and that to me is is so amazingly empowering because it cuts out the middleman it cuts out um uh what historically has been our downfall which is the uh corruption the bloat and those who get their little sticky hands in and manipulate the systems for their own benefit yeah for those

listening i know you've heard some of the other uh live streams uh but just to get some simple uh you know perspective here you know we talk about natural law and you know when i was first introduced to the project chordal which you're a co-founder of um what i found so interesting was that what defined it as different from say bitcoin or ethereum or any of the you know similar projects is that you have created a participatory structure where you have influence on the along the

axis of time meaning that the length of your participation is what determines how much influence you have and actually even how much of the coin is produced which has value in that ecosystem and so that to me was like revolutionary because if you have all this power you can either buy influence you can you know have more miners or you can have more coin in the proof of uh stake model and this was this just completely leveled the playing field again and that's what i was

thinking is like wow you've designed in the very code base just such a beautiful reflection of how i'm imagining indigenous societies interacted cooperatively where they shared and there was just this sense of of justice not again centralization where middle man accumulates um infinitely more power just by that fact and and what do the indigenous cultures also have say or that we are severely lacking um in our modern in modernity they had an appreciation for how time leads to wisdom and respect for elders and that is

definitely something that is built into the chordal uh blockchain consensus based on time is that those who have put more time who are on higher levels are deemed the elders because they've proven themselves over a number of years but also we know that that can lead to issues of centralization as you could have corrupt elders who don't want to innovate and who don't want to maybe get with the times um but maybe also those times are also corrupted and so they have a point right so

we have to factor all this in so the beauty of of cordle is that and dude i am still seeing the light with this okay and we're still it's we're still figuring it out too right we're not infallible so but the the beauty is that everybody it eventually becomes an elder and and then as you equal up to the founders and everybody now we can all come to a consensus together based on the fact that hey we've all put our five years or whatever into the

network we've done our our due diligence we've proven ourselves but there's not like an infinite kind of race where people are always trying to catch up no eventually everybody equals out and then so that's that's an interesting thing because we are mortal we eventually will die i'm sorry um transhumanists um but but you know so in the end then what happens with we you brought this question up for the chat what happens with when you die how do you pass on that legacy and these are

things we still need to figure out but i think that's important that you don't have this like ever increasing hierarchy of control because that's doesn't work to me well in i want to add to that because for me like you said still seeing the light i'm getting flashes all the time now that i started to go down the chordal rabbit hole the portal but so with social media is a good example so i'm 13 years into facebook right and initially before they monetized it and weaponized

it really against the public the beauty of that with social media is when someone shared your content it was like social validation and they were proving that this has value and that value adhered to that person's whose page or content creator whose page or whatever stream you liked and then what happened is that after they got to a certain point of course they went public and you have goldman sachs and darpa on the board and all this stuff going on then they just stripped all of

the reach and and the half a million fans that we have and so many people of the same story you're reaching 10 people now because if they captured all that really beautiful um energy that exists naturally among humans and then turned it into something really dark and in the quartal next iteration i understand that the voting system will give you leveling up um points if you will based on the gravitas or the value that you know the community confers to you and it will and it'll

be it'll be retained and that's the beauty of this is it's not a system that will be repeating the same problems of centralization and control of these other platforms i think so i think social media is getting a really bad rap right now because of the centralization and the algorithms which are preying upon that endorphin rush of likes right we know that's that is not a problem so the endorphin issue right that is a human societal issue we have right now that i think is is

related to our debt based system and our lack of um of grander connection to that's the work that we have to do as individuals if we're living in a truly holistic economy in a holistic um uh a culture that um where we're we're healthier and we're more in tune with the planet and with each other we're not going to be in such debt to need that those likes if that makes sense and so i i think social media i was dude i was on friendster when

it came out um you know and then i was huge on myspace because i was a d i'm a dj and i was i loved myspace i thought myspace was awesome because you could go in and customize your page and it was like more of your own little portal where facebook really just kind of you know stratified everything and made it very much more about the likes and where myspace was more about the um the community and that interac the social interaction and i think facebook

was created by intelligence to take out the myspace kind of world because you had more power yourself with your individuality and your sovereignty where facebook was more about the algorithms but the it but for me it's all about the centralization is the problem you're right on and if we can have social media that is decentralized and that is more geared towards a holistic environment where it's connecting all the different aspects of humanity in a way where it allows for that you know that that social need

we have as social animals as as as tribal you know uh connected consciousness then i think that's empowering and i'm a huge fan of social media for that i think it's i think it's an amazing innovation and it's something that we need to really uh improve upon and i think if we decentralize it and we we work in on it in certain ways so that it is more in tune with nature um i think the sky's the limit with what we can do with it because

i think it's the it's the early caveman wheel to the to the spaceship if in terms of consciousness so i think it is the early kind of more materialistic denser version of where we will become as psychic collective consciousness again like we used to be so i think the internet is all of that is super important for us to make sure that we keep it decentralized because i truly believe that is where we're going yeah that makes total sense because you know i think you mentioned

in a recent interview that a lot of us were preparing for going back to the 1800s when this uh you know situation dropped you know over a year ago and it's not like we can abdicate this just amazing technology of the internet while substrated upon a military you know sort of infrastructure we know now that the the solution is web 3.0 and of course projects like portal bitcoin is overtaking i think the uh global reserve uh role in a way that is just just mind-blowing to

me actually and it's a good stepping stone it's it's not the same as chordal in terms of the participatory sharing nature of your economy but do you want to go into some of those five different points and i apologize i need to close this screen while while you go ahead here you're glowing god's god's light is upon you my friend i kind of have that too but um we just did a podcast on natural light and um i'm trying to embrace as much as like as

i can um yeah so basically you a great way to start that and i so i that is my talk on reunion summit i'm wearing the reunion summon hat by the way and you're featured twice in it you're on an amazing panel it starts on saturday with katherine austin fitz and dolores cahill uh and then you have uh you have your own individual talk in there and so i did a live stage talk at the actual event in joshua tree specifically about this and um and

this is where i've kind of introduced this holistic holistic economy model to the world and i'm really just kind of sitting on the shoulders of a lot of much smarter people than i that have innovated and i'm just kind of bringing in my experience from alternative health from agriculture from media you know as i explained in my talk in my interview i'm kind of fortunate that i've had these life experiences from all these different realms so i didn't just come up in economics or i didn't

just come up in agriculture i've kind of done it all i've been like this jacket all trades guy so i feel like i have this in um kind of unique uh perspective so you mentioned technology technology is inherently important for us because it's inherently deflationary and what i mean by that as an example is look at your smartphone um your you know what we can do with these is mind-boggling right but if we look back at when the smartphone first launched or when the first cell

phone launched rather uh back in i think actually the first cell phone was really in the late 80s uh where it was like these huge cases or let's say you know um and then of course you had car phones right but how much were those i mean even this is not even taking in into consideration the inflation but to own a cell phone in like even the early 90s right was like thousands of dollars thousands and thousands of dollars and all it allows you to do

is call on it right and now basically your smartphone is bigger is like more amazing than the most advanced computers nasa had 30 years ago and it you can get it for well this kind of ties into the debt system but you can get it for like what thirty dollars a month now to have this thing so technology is inherently deflationary and it's due to moore's law it's due to a lot of just fundamental aspects of the way the technology works with the silicon chips and

with the way data works and the way processors work and all that and so why not leverage that why not use that to our advantage because i personally believe technology is a representation of our inherent ability as divine creators to innovate and to create on this in this realm that's why we're here we are here because our consciousness manifests in the form of thoughts which inherently become crystallized in material form every nanosecond of our reality right now we are creating a a a product you and

i right now are creating something which is this video which will go out and then we'll we'll spiral out through the network effect and maybe create the next um you know satoshi nakamoto um so it's uh technology is extremely important so my my first well i'm not going to do it in order and stuff and people who really want to see the whole talk please join reunion summit um forward slash sayer and reunionssummit.com forward slash sayer and um you can uh register it's free and and

and watch the talk but um one very important aspect is having uh inflationary system because what that does is that allows us to have a long-term time preference and that is how nature works nature and remember i'm mimicking from nature so nature understands that the importance of having a long-term time preference because then that allows for us to develop beauty that allows us to have a multi multi-generation um regenerative regenerative systems that allow for for this garden planet of earth to be what it is so

when we when we're living right now we're in a debt-based system that is um basically in massively inflationary which means that we we are we're trying to take advantage of the money right now get it right now to create stuff right now because it's losing value literally every second and so we don't we aren't um stimulated or it's um you know we don't have that need to sh to save to look to the future to to take the time to build beauty um you know when

we've had gold standards in the past in the 1800s um uh when when we really had a gold standard throughout much of europe and the west and and even throughout the east we we had things of beauty that were developed we had great philosophy we had we had uh amazing innovations that were more holistically minded and and and and to to serve us in the future um and we go back through time whenever we see that we had more um deflationary sound money systems we had

amazing renaissance we had amazing beauty and we had the cathedrals like say what you will about the evils of the catholic church we were we we had more of a deflationary goldback money system then and we had while we did have user e and we did have banking and we had that we still had a much more sound money system and so we they had the time to build cathedrals um they uh go back to egypt they had uh goldback money systems you had the pyramids

you had this really enriched cultural um dynasty right um and that's not to say they weren't they were perfect they had a lot of problems but um one aspect of that is the deflationary model um i think that's really really important and that mimics nature um another really important aspect and that's what bitcoin has really embraced by the way bitcoin is extremely hard currency or hard money because it is set into into that scarcity model where it's set at 21 million coin and that's hard-coded into

the code base if i could just add too that those who are looking at bitcoin skyrocketing price it's sort of an illusion in a certain respect because the money supply increased 33 um the u.s money supply uh over the past 12 months which is a hyper inflationary parabolic increase and debasement so bitcoin is just kind of like inversely showing that happening just like stocks and real estate but as you say it is the hardest money it's the scarcest and it will probably continue to devour uh

all other assets in my opinion but anyway keep going because i love what you're saying if you want to have like when i was actually trading when i got pulled into the trading stuff into 2017 i mean who wasn't swept away by that ico boom and everything it was really exciting and we're seeing it again right now but you know typically what we did is we never looked at the bitcoin to us dollar because anybody that was deep into crypto understood that you're really racing against

the inflation and so what we did is we looked at two other assets that were solid that had some legacy so um we would compare it to god forbid ethereum or to litecoin and we would see the satoshi value and now it was almost a better gauge to see how bitcoin was doing in the markets than comparing it to like the dollar or the euro or something which is a centralized currency that is manipulated that is we know they hit the printing presses um and whenever

they deem fit uh and uh so uh yes but that's a perfect point right now you're looking at bitcoin skyrocketing because mainly because of the um uh they're trying to relieve the pressure valve by printing and doing all this um funny money stuff so um i i think it's important that we continue and that's why i say i am coin agnostic as long as there's fundamentals in play um i think it's the future economy will have a couple different types of um cryptocurrencies at play i'm

not a bitcoin maximus obviously because i'm you know do it working on other projects and i think that there's pitfalls to bitcoin maximalism uh as well however yeah um i do recommend if you are looking at the value of bitcoin try to look at it towards satoshi's compared to some of the bigger cryptos because that might in the end be a better value metric than looking at it to something like the dollar if i could just point out to you your original point is if you

think about maybe a handful of decision makers at the fed or whoever's behind the scenes really in the shadows uh controlling them that means like one individual or just one group can determine the value of literally millions if not billions of people's dollar denominated you know assets meaning if you for example didn't increase your salary or your wages 33 over the past year you you lost the purchasing power of that money because you were basically taxed and or the value was stolen from your dollar that

you saved or so the point and why do you think we have the real estate boom we've had for so long because it's and this is so inequitable um it's so just not fair because so so for people that are able to play the debt game um they have been smart and they've been buying up assets they've been buying up hard assets like real estate and what happens is your real estate values are going up because of the way the inflation works and so you've got

this like crazy mass capitalization of those who can you know they call we call the one percent which say or you and i are in the one percent of the world and so we are able to go in and buy up assets and then we see the price of real estate going up not because of the free markets that are deeming the value of supply and demand but because the currency is being devalued so it's it's a really unfair to those who are stuck in the

poorer classes and in third world countries and places they are getting reamed by this so there's actually really no price discovery organically happening any longer it's being manipulated in such a way that um at this point we don't really know even what dollar denominated value really is i i i had a flipping internally when i started to understand what bitcoin really is and is doing almost like a vortex just consuming all these other assets is that i would now denominate things in how much bitcoin it

would cost that i'd have to liquidate into fiat in order to you know purchase something as if total and quartal i mean in court because the same thing is true i have a little bit of ethereum and i'm looking forward to the day which will be soon where i'm just going to burn it in an act of defiance against what is fundamentally a toxic asset on some level because i you helped me understand that dude we have so no so as you know i i'm working

on other projects and one of the projects we have is called manifest x and this is ideally our our portal out of of fiat and out of all the uh excuse my french coins into a truly decentralized new crypto that is inherently um deflation it's fitting in all the holistic model and it's built upon but real world experience so in the way that chordal is built upon on the aspect of time this is built upon the energetics of p2p experience and experience that so the connection

and the collaboration between others which is at the core of my the holistic model and one of the ways that you can get so it's based upon a gamification of experience points and that's that's one element to it and that's the basis for um your weight if you will on the consensus and i know this might be a little complicated but one of the aspects to get in and and and provide experience so that you can um get a coin on this is by burning your

these tokens so literally by coming in and burning ethereum or by burning litecoin is then you proving that you've done that experience and then that you so anyways we've brought that in to the system i love this because on a more meta level when you understand like what the fiat dollar is and how it's tied to the petra dollar and just this power structure that really is is substituted on endless war and obviously fossil fuels it's a toxicant based model on a physical to spiritual level

and when you basically translate or you burn that fiat for something like bitcoin or chordal or codano if you like that project you're just creating the new system that is stateless permissionless trustless and that's unstoppable and there's something about this that when you start to understand that it really does become like what max kaiser talks about which is that the dollar is like literally an instrument of terrorism and bitcoin is an instrument of world peace and again there's limitations to bitcoin you've helped me understand that

but um you know this is the larger promise i think of this this topic i i say that the easiest form right now of uh being the most the easiest revolutionary act you can do right now is buy bitcoin it really is i mean and it does have its inherent pitfalls to it too and max i'd love to debate one day or at least have a nice conversation with because he is a maximalist and i love him i've been following max since since like for like

15 years and before bitcoin was around because he would talk about the casino economy of the united states and the the prison system and and how the problematic it is and i love that guy however um there are problems with bitcoin maximalism and one of them i feel like is that because it's been so capitalized and so um bought up by large institutions you think black blackrock and the and these like huge um funds aren't haven't been buying bitcoin are you kidding me um the centralized

uh exchanges are a massive problem it's wall street 2.0 and i worry that not only do we have large institutions that really own a lot of bitcoin and can really move their weight around with it um but two that you have a lot of criminals and i know this has been a knock on the traditional from by the traditional jp morgans who are the the biggest criminals but still you have potentially mega like like gangsters that have billions and billions in bitcoin now uh of us

dollars in bitcoin and so um you know and that gets to your definition what is a criminal but if these are murderers and gangsters that have this um is that really good so um things that max doesn't want to ever talk about because i bring it up and i brought it up on many comments and stuff to him and i'm just a small fry so he probably hasn't seen it but i'd love to talk to him about some of that stuff because these are realistic issues

with bitcoin besides the centralized mining farms in china well listen i want you to go deeper into this because to me this is some of the most compelling conversation that could be had because i don't ever hear about this side among those who are evangelical about bitcoin myself included at times i want to know what you mean like so you're saying that ultimately it could be weaponized or used for evil like any actually even more so as some of the you know the uh media reporting

has been saying so the count so the the the counter to that is that it's public you can go in and look at these addresses and and see on the explorer right where the funds are and that's the beauty of blockchain um however that doesn't mean it's still not a fundamental force in the new economy and that if you have bitcoin become the standard and you've got criminals who have the the big hands in the pot society can be fundamentally altered by them and so so

that to me is is a very important aspect that we must be talking about we know that back in the day with um oh my blanket on it the centralized kind of underground exchange silk road and all that um we had serious gangsters and serious criminals um that were um getting heavy hands into bitcoin and owning a lot of bitcoin and now with the value of it skyrocking these now these criminals are multi-billionaires that are literally murderers and and and have syndicates that um do child

sex trafficking and run really do nefarious schemes and and do ha use bitcoin and now probably run it through privacy coins and like monero and do all sorts of obfuscation stuff so this gets into like deeper more kind of questions about humankind and and what really is evil and and what you know what freedom is and what how anarchy works but i guess my you know one thing that a lot of maximalists say is well they'll never be uh another bitcoin because it was the first

and we can never have another organic startup like that where it's not controlled and i just totally disagree because look at chordal can you give us more insight into that because to me from what i've heard and what i've researched i don't know of two projects i mean these are the only two projects like that in terms of the origin story is that correct um no not necessarily like i feel like um there are other projects that um were built from the ground up that um

have the ethical standards involved um you know uh i'm trying to think what would come off the the top of my my head right now um i mean there are projects that are inherently decentralized that even if they are uh a bitcoin clone um they were done without a corporation behind it they weren't pre-mined um they were done with a proof-of-work model similar that like so like company you know like projects maybe like digibyte or monero um you know they are very inherently decentralized um they

might have a foundation behind them or they might have like a leader behind them but um they don't have that corporatization and they and they have a much better um protocol behind them than proof of stake now inherently pure coin people could say was one of those but it it had the proof of stake consensus which requires a pre-mine requires han basically what the fed does which is printing their own money for them to do what they want to do with it and their whole idea

is the uh the ends justify the means so the idea is yeah we're going to pre-mine it we're going to have it but we're going to spread it out trust us it's in in in crypto's supposed to be inherently trustless but trust us you know we have good intentions so um but yeah i know that's the problem right like what are the other projects there are some and i used to have a list and i'll i'll pull up that list and i maybe drop it in

the comments later i guess it doesn't matter the specifics it's just the idea that you can do this and should do this is the most powerful and if chordal is one of several projects that are you know sort of like megaphoning this right now i want people to hear that because right now as you can see uh it is wall street 2.0 and you have the largest hedge funds and asset management funds in the world getting behind bitcoin and you just mentioned that you know there

are criminal elements behind it like any other monetary system so well including those hedge funds which are the biggest criminals well yeah you know exactly so in fact you know allison mcdowell which i'd like to just bring this up real quick is that she has been my guest several times and she's brought up some amazing information on the dark side of how private blockchain projects the kinds that ibm are behind and bloomberg and gates are actually weaponized and are part of this militarized hedge fund system

that's evolving where they're digitizing commodifying betting on our behavior uh through what they call social impact investing or you know sustainable environmental investing human human capital markets there you go especially focused on children and so she's rightfully brought up a real dark side and yet i don't i don't think that she and others who are behind this view understand that it's not just this monolithic thing and that you there's what 89 or 90 separate blockchain projects within the crypto space it's not one thing it's it's

many different types of code bases and intentions so i don't know if you want to uh bring that up i would say that one we know there's thousands of of projects listed right on if you go to coin market cap now i would say 90 of those are scams um or they're they're inherently centralized and that they've been pre-mined or they're just and and maybe not a scam but they're they're just a bitcoin clone that is just somebody trying to create their own big their new

bitcoin with a couple little tweaks and then it's like okay you're free to do that i'm not going to knock that cool at least it's proof of work at least it's better than proof of stake now proof of stake came around because people um you know saw the problems with the energy usage of proof of work so um but proof of stake is inherently i think a lot worse than proof uh proof of work but that being said you just give people an explanation though what

that means yes yes so what we and we've explained this on on your i think the other video but so in order to have a public consensus machine of truth or excuse me a public um ledger of truth right which is what inherently a public blockchain is and why it's it's a powerful innovation is you have to have consensus amongst everybody that is agreeing that this is the immutable truth uh that we all say okay this particular block of transactions is real we all agree that

that this job paid christy and and then christy sent this transaction to harry and blah blah blah and um it's all real and so we lock it in and we agree that that is the truth and this could also be applied to voting to anything right so consensus just means um it's how a group of individuals all come to agreement that that is the truth and so satoshi nakamoto in the proof of um in the uh white paper for bitcoin you know whoever that is group

of people ascended master whatever came up with proof of work which is absolutely brilliant because it it allowed for digital money to exist using a blockchain by having computers um essentially um run by humans it was originally intended for each person to take sovereignty of their consensus by running their own computer to do the calculations to um to factor in on the consensus that we all agree that this block has all these right transactions and we do we agree because we've put in the time and

money and the effort for to the power for our computer to run those tr to do those uh complicated um mathematical equations um to uh essentially take part in consensus and um and it's more it's there's a lot more going on in that but the idea is it's it's using traditional free market idea of like why they call it mining is that you are putting forth the your money and your and your resources through your computer to take part in that consensus stake is the more

coins you have the more voting power you have right in a nutshell yes in a nutshell it's it's it's about it like you have to stake your coins so instead of having computers uh doing um the work all you're doing is you're running a node so you still have to traditionally if it's a proper proof of stake um you have the entire blockchain of course so you're you're still you your your wallet or whatever is still basically um running the entire blockchain and it's saying okay

i agree that this is the current you know transactions that have gone through and but you could trust me not because i've put all this effort in and um i'm i'm dedicating time and money to have my computer um doing it and that there are all these enough 51 percent of all these people that are doing it also agree right instead it's saying that um you can trust me randomly like this is how oroboros works which is the proof-of-stake algorithm for cardano the darling of crypto

2.0 because i have a lot of coin that i have staked on the thing which proves that i'm indebted or that i am i put forth the money in time to be a trusted actor to do the consensus well so this is such a great example of the difference between chordal and these two projects is like you have this like horizontal plane of you know force over others through accumulation of power through mining power through the number of coins you own the wealth you have whereas

of course with chordal it's along the axis of time and it and it's the metric is participation proof of participation proof of intent is another term you use and that's that's revolutionary because that gives everyone you know the ability to and it's actually only what a 5 watt device or less versus 1500 watts for a bitcoin miner so it's also energy efficient in a way that none of these other systems are yeah and and so with proof of stake the uh we saw proof of stake

explode in the ico boom which is the initial coin offering boom in 2017 which is what we call crypto 2.0 which was really spurned originally by purecoin which was the first proof of stake coin which was developed with real good intentions i believe i believe it was developed to solve a lot of the problems with proof of work which was the energy usage which was the increasing centralization so we saw with the mining um with the competition which i don't know if satoshi nakamoto the white

paper developers saw this coming but as humans do driven by greed in this current a model of of our reality how can we one-up each other to get more money to get more stuff well i'll create stronger faster computers and there was this race right to have the fastest computers that were solving the problems fastest because that's how the the proof of work consensus works and that's what drives the whole economy and it's really quite innovative and beautiful but on the flip side you had people

then developing really robust machines and that turned into what's called the asic miners asic which i can't remember what that acronym stands for and that led to pooling and farms and people pooling all this power together so they had the upper hand and then everyone then just coming in on bigger and bigger and bigger bigger operations and then it came down to who has the cheapest energy so of course china is just is dominating because they have cheap dirty energy right and so um that was

a problem it's like whoa now we're polluting the world when we were trying to like solve solve these problems now we're like polluting the world and bitcoin's like the number one energy you know uh user now in the world the bitcoin mining so yeah if i could add two i mean initially the idea was so beautiful and you know you've used the term aquarium with the white paper and anyone could go ahead theoretically and you know they could mine coin with bitcoin now there's only about

10 000 nodes operative right now due to this system that evolved where you know you can still somehow mine but you're not actually running a node whereas corridor already has a thousand nodes it's it's genesis block was july and it's just people like us who are really hobbyists and passionate who are creating this new network globally and that's really promising because you know what was it 2009 when the white paper was uh brought forth and here we are you know it's and those were hobbyists that

started bitcoin we we say chordal's like your shot your shot if you miss bitcoin you you have a shot to get into a new kind of bitcoin thing where you know i feel like any crypto that's telling you you have to buy it to get into it that's red flags for me that's like all of them isn't it well that is the culture that is now developed from the ico boom because this is the the other inherent issue with proof of stake beyond the problems of

centralization centralized controlled by big stakeholders by big money holders well inherently problematic with that is you have to you there's a um uh what do you call it when um uh uh uh paradox because the paradoxes with with proof of work you just you you start what's called your genesis block and then everybody can start mining and trying to earn coin it's so it starts with literally like no coin and then the first miner gets that first coin and then the second miner every block it

gives you a reward and that's what builds that natural economy it's like if somebody first discovered the first nugget of gold and then we're like oh my gosh this has value and everyone starts running to try to race and dig up gold right that's how a proof of work coin gets launched it's very natural where a proof of stake coin you have to you have to essentially because it the consensus requires coin from the beginning to run it you have to have coin magically appear so

what we call that is pre-mining it so they literally have to centrally devise how much coin from the very get-go is there to then distribute out so there's nothing like stopping a billionaire from coming in buying all the coin and having the most voting power right correct so there's yeah so you have cardano which is like this darling of crypto 2.0 and they've tried to solve some of these issues by doing pools and and that's like really what their model is it's not a um like

eos is and and steam and some of these other platforms are um just more of a distributed model where they have delegates it's a delegated model where you have literally like it's like a republic where you have delegates that are voted based to to make the decisions and and so those delegates are decided by how much coin they have but they somehow think that's more decentralized no and it's not so it's like this whole it's so weird they put in hundreds and hundreds of millions and

hundreds of millions of dollars into these projects that are all built it's it's like germ theory right it's it's like our modern medical system who put in hundreds of billions of dollars into cancer into the cancer research into aids into all this stuff but it's all built on a broken infrastructure foundation of germ theory to begin with same thing proof of stake is built on a broken consensus algo from the very beginning yeah well and again if it reproduces the uh conventional financial system you know

in any respect then it's basically reproducing what's fundamentally you know almost described as an evil system you know when i think about the chordal system and the sort of like council of elders who've put in the time and by the way those who don't know with chordal you can go ahead and run a node with low power that simultaneously helps provide the sort of the new network or the mycelium of this new internet as well as it will mint once you get sponsored by an original

um founder because they set it up so that it would be a very slow growth process that couldn't be gamed you had to know someone who's a human that would sponsor you and by the way the original developers in a way came in with a valve poverty because there was no pre-mine they weren't really getting paid other than jason who had a you know source of income where he just basically donated it to the project that's a great origin story i mean from what i can

tell that means that anyone who's a founder actually had to put in time for the right reason because they weren't trying to make money while all this money was being made around them in these other projects so it's sort of really beautiful story yeah exactly and it's important to understand this notion of pre-mine because most people don't get it and that the whole ico boom was built around the ethereum model um of tokenizing on the chain and and then allowing for anybody and and tokenization i

think is powerful i think if it's done right it can be really cool and it can it can build businesses for people and allow for people to have like a rewards structure built in that isn't um being influenced by the markets you know that's another knock i have on bitcoin maximalism because people say well why not just use bitcoin for everything why do you need a alternative token you just use bitcoin well because bitcoin one it's being it's it's being manipulated by other people so if

i'm a business owner it's like how is that different in the dollar in some respects right like why can't i if it's empowering to be able to create your own money and then have your own little community agree on that value and go hey it's like bartering right it's like ithaca yeah exactly so i think that's really cool and anarchist and sovereign and i think there's a lot of power to that but also we got to be really careful with that because there's inherent dangers to

manipulation and control like you know i've been recently uh made known of this twism i think it is project that is allowing for people to tokenize their business but it's inherently centralized and it seems very like just apple bucks it might as well just be apple or microsoft behind it you know or facebook when facebook was trying to do their coin right which i knew was a joke and would fail because um we already have um uh uh you know uh why am i xrp which

is um that's all we need right now is this major centralized corporate coin so i know yeah it is yeah so you know but i believe so chordal has the ability to create assets in it which is like token so down the line um we will jason and our and the the core founders in the community has not done that because we don't want to support like ico's type mentality but once once the community is there and the holistic economy has really developed and we've got

um a really strong network then um we could open that up if the community votes on it and decides you want to do it for a specific reason and then you could have your green et green med info token um that is built on that consensus of chordal well i had this concept early on and interestingly we created agreement info token back in 2010 within our own drupal-based infrastructure just so people could have coins for you know being members and buy abstracts and things like that

but for a while i was working on this project and i know we talked a little bit about this where i wanted to create a way for us to remediate the intergenerational biosphere karma of radioisotope contamination plastics heavy metals and then be able to prove that it's been taken out of you know the uh you know the the the chain of life whatever and then that would then give people the ability to burn their toxic fiat in order to purchase this coin so that's an example

it could be a tokenized coin on the chain is manifest x is another example is that right yeah so manifest x is exactly would allow you to have the infrastructure to do that and um that would allow for people to basically create that dream idea in the system and and then tokenize it in that way and it's built upon what we hope will be the most fair consensus algorithm um that will it has aspects of um of chordal with the time idea but that is also

integrating um different ways to port in um from fiat um and really burn your fiat in that way to destroy the old system well and the irony too is that if we're not burning our fiat the fed's doing it for us because we're gonna go through an accelerating debasement that's going to destroy its value anyway so we might as well get something of value with it while we can exactly yeah so i mean this kind of goes back to so on the holistic economy model the

second aspect besides deflationary is decentralization so i think we've really stressed that the importance of decentralization nature is inherently decentralized um and really i think like when we talked about social media decentralization fixes a lot of the corruption and the bloat and the and the problems with something like social media and so people are gonna have to start though changing see what what silicon valley has really done is it it's uh it's automated and optimized our lives to where they're so simplified and so immediate with

centralization with the way apps work on our phone by giving our power away that we become addicted to um how easy that is and what i mean is decentralized systems require effort so with chordal the biggest knock on chordal right now is people are like wow it's so hard i gotta like download the software and yes we're gonna make it way easier to do that but but with decentralization you have to take these steps because you are inherently in control of your key of of all

this stuff on your system for security and for how the essentials that's why decentralization works the reason why apps are so simple is because literally they're they're in control of all that information you're giving your power away every time you sign up on an app that is a fintech app or that is an online wallet or is any of these fancy new um scams that are coming out that are calling themselves crypto like i was just told about this bees social one that um people in

my town are jumping in that and this is a very unfortunate aspect of bitcoin exploding in popularity now people are like well crypto's legit now like i got to get in on it but i can't buy bitcoin it's 50 000 a coin or 60 000 a coin it's too late for that what else is there and they won't take the time to understand something like chordal right now because they're normies no knock on normies but they're still watching cbs and and and eating mcdonald's and watching

football and and aren't in tune with themselves so much to understand that we need to take the time to be healthy and that relates to technology too and so they go wow i can just download this app and i can connect my bank account and now i'm mining on my phone which is it it's and and now i'm earning this i can't pull it out for a year but i'll have a million dollars in a year and meanwhile they'll never see that it's a total ponzi

scheme yeah and they'll get scammed it's totally allopathic i mean like he'll just make it go away or make my life better and so ultimately i love this concept that like um you know with freedom comes responsibility and that's built into this actual system that you have to put the work in you know work is love made visible okay hulk lebron even uh what benjamin franklin said about um you know uh was that uh freedom where security without freedom is is prison and that's that's what

all these uh big tech platforms have offered us this sense of oh it's all free and you know we're the product ultimately and now we're in a gulag because of it literally a digital log and this to me is like the the portal the escape out of that system that i was so longing to uh to find and just surprised that it it actually already exists another thing too i wanted to say in this line of conversation is around self-custody like self-sovereignty means that like okay

if you don't own your bitcoin private keys you don't own your bitcoin there's like trillions of dollars now locked up uh in this space and ultimately maybe 0.001 percent actually even control their quote digital assets whereas you created a along with your co-founders a trade portal that does cross-chain transfers where there's literally no middle person that's going to come in surveil collect data or take your coin from you like these centralized exchanges are constantly doing because of hacks or because whatever they just implode so that's

another big deal you know yeah and and having your own taking your own fiduciary responsibility for your life and your assets is what bitcoin was all about it was all about you running the taking part and as a responsible grown-up in what money is because we don't have money right now currencies what we have right now are inherently disempowering because they're forced upon us and they are manipulated and controlled and what do we even do we put them in a bank which then um does fractional

reserve banking and i mean it's just so wild to me so giving us negative interest it's so crazy to me so yeah like having a hardware wallet right like that was one thing we always stress like here's the original treasure which i still use the original first generation trezor and then i've got a couple ledger nanos here um so always hold you hold your own keys get off the coin base right away or whatever um even though they say they're insured and everything like um take

take part in the new revolution the decentralized revolution by educating yourselves and and holding your own keys and holding your own cryptos yourself and you can do that with most true like if you go look at the top 50 on coin market cap or whatever they are real cryptos in the sense that yes you can hold your own keys you can put it on on your own wallet and if you can't then get the hell out of that project now um very very important let me

make a point too is that like so you know the government sees gold uh for quite a long period of history you could not have it and so coinbase literally could be seized because it's on the domain name server system and that's one of the things that court solves by getting around that so there's so many choke points and vulnerabilities in the conventional system that have been basically um the problems have been solved with projects like court but but i think people need to understand that

is that you know just even agreement info could be seized tomorrow because you know our health freedom movement is being classified as national uh security threat now so let's let's get prepared for this folks and let's create an alternative platform together that is going to prevent this disaster from unfolding because there there's got to be an alternative for it not to unfold so this is one of them yeah so in the same way bitcoin had people taking part by mining and to run you know the

currency um aspect of it court is having you take part in a network to create the new internet and when by doing that improving the time and effort you're doing that then you get a share in the riches of that so think almost like if if google had a coin right with you every time you chose to do a search or something how crazy that would be like the number one currency in the world um and so court cordell has like so much crazy potential here

to if to to really redefine what money can be one and empower people because the way that the rewards work it's not like bitcoin where you're competing to get a bitcoin for winning a block based on how powerful your computers are it's spread evenly across based on your level of time put in so if all the level ones are and level twos and level threes we're all sharing every third every minute block we're all sharing together uh in the pot so it's literally it's brilliant because

as jason explains it took out the pooling it just made it all pool we're all in the pool together where cardano is still like these little federations of pools and that are based upon how much how the leader you know how much staking you have and it's inherently flawed and um eos all those big coins are inherently flawed and i feel like once again they are the comp compuserve they are the aols of of the new decentralized revolution they will go away eventually i hope because

of their inherent flaws and i'm not saying quartal is the end-all be-all but it seems so far to me to be one of the the best options we have moving forward um because of the inherent egalitarian um kind of equality uh based around it and this isn't like equality like uh you know a basic income which you ubi uh ubi is inherently anti-natural law like you know this is you're doing you have to go do the work especially right now right you know sayer it's not

easy you got to go get download the core download the ui um sync the chain get involved to even know how to do this and we've designed it this way on purpose because to do the effort is what it takes then and then you have to get sponsored of course to then prove to us that you're real and that you care and that you put the time to then earn the rewards to to grow this it's you know what i just thought of this analogy we

are reforesting the world i was just gonna say i'm already thinking about how this is like a wild terrain because for people that don't know how to put this in in simple terms i know that you and jason also often describe this as no one owns chordal and everyone owns chordal and if that ethos you really look at it closely that's what's missing from the world now every little micro millimeter of this planet has not only been digitally mapped but it's owned by someone or someone

if you go back to like the crown corporation or whoever still owns it the vatican who knows but the point is is that this is the etheric layer of the it's like a commons of of of a type and obviously we we had a little taste of that with free social media or the web 2.0 and that just became a disaster in fact this whole pandemic scandemic wouldn't have happened if it weren't for those platforms right co-opting us all this is what is needed for true

freedom and for this amazing blossoming of our souls and our divine nature i mean i definitely feel like that's what you guys are bringing so well so that's the third aspect of the holistic economy are you sure you haven't read it so so the third aspect is open source and and so imagine if facebook was open source imagine if twitter was we wouldn't have these congressional um meetings asking hey are you how are you guys manipulating the data for these elections because we'd see it we

know what the algos are doing and you know that's inherent an issue and people go can't wrap their heads around not having an ip like how do you not have an ip like i put the effort in and it's mine and i should be able to profit off it and i go okay you can still do that but you can do it in a collaborative open source means and we've seen it work if you look at linux linux is a brilliant beautiful um example of how

open source can work so well if you look at wordpress right wordpress.org is open it's an open source protocol it's the number one web platform or web you know website um creation tool in the world and there's plenty of people profiting off of wordpress so um open source everything to me is how nature works like if you really want to look into um you know how mother nature uh grows a seed you can take a microscope and you can look into it she's not hiding anything

now mankind likes to hide and obfuscate stuff but uh open source is what allows us to um continue moving forward in truth in and in a way that um defies um corruption and defies uh the inherent greedy aspects of our nature to control and manipulate and so i feel like we can um really create the um the new beautiful world through maintaining an open source infrastructure around everything and that seems really radical but um that's the third aspect of the holistic uh economy well this is

so powerful because i started to get a better understanding of the real and by the way you say facebook that's a great example think about microsoft think about how they have back doors and have had them for decades with the nsa being able to come into your operating system now they put in the obsolescence so that um you would basically have to have an antiviral thing and get these updates constantly you know it's just amazing and then now we see it unfold to where now literally

they helped to architect you know event 201 and all the things that followed well i was going to say now they're doing it literally with injectables into humans or creating they're making us into pcs exactly mrna is a software uh system basically uh that's the design concept so ultimately um we are getting to a point where you know the hardware itself is actually proprietary as well and has back doors built into the chips like the intel chips etc and so even if your software is secure

you have hardware that is absolutely compromised and it's all key logged and screen recorded so technically when jason started talking to me about the hardware he designed with these other developers it's amazing they're open source cpus where i'm like wait isn't that terrible hackers can get the code and they know how to get into this and the whole point is it's evolutionary where yes but then good people come by who are even better and they patch it up and the community creates an even more resilient

system versus one that bill gates or whoever can literally just change a billion computers with one little change of the code so that they can take all of your data or spy on you i mean it's amazing this revolution of what open source really is it comes down to the philosophy of what you belie how you what do you believe the nature of humans are we've been fooled into believing that nature that the we are inherently greedy selfish um that this is what the keynesians have

preyed upon us with these fears of us that we um we can't trust that we would save and we would work for the future because we inherently want it all now because we're greedy and we're selfish right i personally don't believe that from my um experience on this planet i believe with educated people that are supported and that and that are able to work through their traumas you know from whatever and that um that this holistic mindset that we actually care we want to see a

brighter future for our grandkids and for this planet and so open source embraces that it embraces the idea like you said that if you do have um uh you know inherently some some code that is malicious you have everybody looking at it and you'll have people go whoa that's a malicious code in there we got to get that out so then we all agree that that's bad and we fix it we put it out and so the opposite of that is when you've got closed source

ip stuff then you have no idea what you're putting on your phone or your computer um as we've seen just the the tyrannical nature of that so yeah no open source is inherently natural it's way nature works it's way our cautiousness works and it's where we're gonna go this goes back to the organic psychic nature of humans that and and whether you like joe rogan or not and he irks me but i've also been listening to his podcast forever i don't listen anymore but one thing

i always liked that he said he said i think you know technology will inherently get us to where we're psychic and that we won't we'll all have to be forced to be honest with each other and and i love that idea that you know how freeing is that that we can then let go of all the skeletons in our closet and just be free to be ourselves and to to live in abundance and truth and freedom and that's what open source gets us wow wow i

really love that i was thinking more too about synthetic biology and genetic modification and all that ever was was trying to create proprietary code embedded within life itself and then obviously destroy biodiversity which to me is more like the open source model and actually my book regenerator i talk a lot about that and how the discovery of micrornas and horizontal information transfer proves that in real time there's constant dialogue going on and it's actually essential and in fact yeah i love your book and i i've

read it twice now oh wow and and um it's uh for me what i like is it grounds a lot of what i've always known in in into the newest science and like gives me a foundational belief in that and my um intuition is right and and and the new science of sunlight and structured water and how our really our dna really works and and how we are these infinite energy creators right we are zero point machines totally that's beautiful that that ties into open source

and that ties into all of this reality with where we can go with crypto and blockchain and uh so it's all that's the idea of holistic right what's what in really it's all together right it all works together it's exciting you mentioned that because when i was envisioning doing this talk with you i was hoping this would come up because for me like this concept of producing something from nothing if you will it's still so hard for people to get into this mindset obviously fiat is

an example if you're really producing nothing from nothing but in the case of the even energy needs of our body we do manifest from a near limitless source of energy constantly and that's sort of why the chordal concept of minting was so compelling to me because you know it starts off with again you put in that effort and you produce literally the money of the new world we want to live in and to me like creating value that way is it's people are like no you

you can't create your own money and think about how the fed parasitically implanted this agenda to every single one of us by taking over our money you know printing etc well this is an example of where you know this is uprooting that if you will evil tether uh and so so did you cover then the are there two more principles two more so and i can even tie this into what we were just talking about with our mitochondria how does our mitochondria work we collaborate with

what we collaborate with literally the sun like that is inherently how this works we can't just come here i mean i guess maybe that we were talking about this with um uh on our last podcast with alpha vedic about um it was all about sunlight with um matt from raw optics who i love he's amazing he's been on paul checks podcasts and stuff check them out we i actually brought your book up and stuff in the podcast but we were talking about how sun inherently is

the generation of energy right even in us and new biology is starting to show that maybe we can actually do what plants do we don't have to totally require plants with their chlorophyll process with the way mitochondria works but he was even saying that he can explain how monks can go in dark caves and create their energy through their internal light of consciousness and i was like so tripping out on that wow so so our so what the driving thing for me behind um what matter

effect sex will be is like we are divine creators and that is the true energy is as our thoughts that create our reality and that creates everything and can we use that as the quantitative and qualitative basis behind money and and so but the but going to the collaborative process right now the sun that was the the fourth thing was collaboration like that is so so so crucial right is that that the holistic economy has to be collaborative uh in other words and that ties into

open source so these all grow off each other so can i just add something real quick that just you spun me out there's this amazing evidence that your whisper can produce ultrasound an ultrasound can induce water cavitation which can release energies that will produce temperatures that are equivalent to what's found on the surface of the sun assuming it is you know this this round thing and so technically to be able to produce that kind of energy in darkness with that is potentially very possible with the

new biophysics so anyway go ahead yeah no right uh and literally that's the word of god right our breath like that that is the generation of all like the power uh you know comes right there i mean i know and i love the pistol shrimp yeah you talk about in that and stuff in the book like yeah so you know this is these are really exciting times because i feel like we are on the precipice of mass innovation and in the dawn of this golden era

but we got it we got to get we got to get this monkey off our back which is um the inflationary controllers the the you know that are have really been dominating humankind for since um the fall of atlantis if you will i think it's what led to the fall of atlantis but uh so collaboration collaboration is huge i think we kind of understand what that means um that means us as communities coming together working together um creating solutions um uh someone mentioned the venus project

is that you earlier today like that's a someone mentioned that yeah so so that's a brilliant um uh uh show of like how collaboration can work with design and how we can like create beautiful models of future cities and and ways that we can work in this holistic model so that we can really thrive together so collaboration is so crucial and then the last one is uh the and this really brings us all back is the fact that it's trustless which means that it's all built

to work like nature is trustless inherently like you know uh and to explain what that means is that um it doesn't require um the seed doesn't require if we just throw a seed out into the ground um and it's in the system it's not going to require that i come and water it if it's meant to happen like the natural system if it's meant to generate and be a tree there it's just going to happen it's just design in the inherent design of the process of

nature it's not trusting that i come out and do that now if i want to to um centralize it and have a farm and manipulate and control it then yes then it does have to trust that i do it but permaculture something like a food forest or regenerative farming has shown that we can work within the trustless nature and the beauty of nature to have regenerative systems just take care of themselves and it's way easier and it's way more bountiful and we're finding out through permaculture

that these systems make a lot more sense so trustless would be the fifth and final thing i love that because the abundance uh experience you know which has been so deprived uh so many of us have been deprived of it that is the basis for you know really an appreciation of god uh itself herself himself you know just the fact that we exist when you could very well and it's far more likely predict that we wouldn't have anything instead of you know you know something versus

nothing and here we are right this moment and we have this incredible opportunity to determine the way that things will unfold based on our choices and our effort and i love that part of that that you know so this this project too that it's just reminding people we have to take responsibility we need to be adults here and start to really um make good decisions together and and some really beautiful things will come of it so any any last uh thoughts reflections on the topic well

i mean i think you just nailed it there it's time for us to grow up it's time for us to to finally come into our maturation as divine sovereign souls and what that means is there's gonna it's gonna take some work it's gonna take it's not all we've been kind of encapsulated in this in this very um just in time we can have everything at our fingertips but we will sacrifice everything for that in the end and if we want to change the world for the

better we're going to have to get a little bit of elbow grease involved we're going to have to put some work in because we are in a huge debt uh of time and and what our previous generations have done but let's be fearless about it let's be brave but and let's have fun with it like let's that collaboration part of it is really important let's let's help each other out let's find our tribe our communities and and support each other through love and patience you'll notice

that if you do um want to join the choral network we've got support on on right now on telegram and discord and it's a very loving environment i've been involved with a lot of cryptos um and there's a certain um culture around it that is very in general supportive but also can be a little judgmental if you're not technologically savvy and i feel like this is unique in that we embrace like your grandma who wants to come in it's not easy but we will we would

literally have people will hold your hand and help you because you're brave enough to kind of to believe in this and join in on this because it's not something you can just download an app on your phone and and then sync to your bank account and buy like on coinbase a hundred dollars uh worth of worth of crypto there now you can buy it as you know litecoin right now and then once you once you have a node running you can go into the p2p decentralized

exchange and by court and that helps um help with helps with price discovery it helps with the developers who own some court who are selling it right now and that's one their only means of literally buying food right now so um that is one way you can get in but what we say is when we say join the network join the community it literally means put a little bit of the work in download the core download the ui get in and then you can jump into

the q chat and you can be literally dissenting like a decentrally in a decentralized way having communications that are fully encrypted and full it's really empowering to get into cue chat because you're like wow this is an encrypted chat that not even the cia can come in and hack unless they take go through the process and become a member but then you can create your own private chats on there um we we and because it's open source and we we want like the most ardent security

specialist please come in stress test it see if we have open the problems with it see if there are issues with it that we need to fix like you know that's the power of open source so everybody come on in come on in i have to say i didn't even really know about the discord channel i didn't know what it was until of course meeting you guys we did the first interview and then even for a couple weeks i didn't check and then i looked through

the community and i looked at all the different conversations and people helping out and i was like oh this is amazing you know it really does have a vibration of people really just they're believers you know they want to do this together like as a community and that's exciting because right now with how people feel isolated and divided this is exactly what people need as sort of medicine so i mean thank you so much mike for all that you're doing i want to encourage everyone too

that's on this live stream and um who's listening because it'll be replayed go to the reunion summit because some of the lineup including you know my beloved wife kelly and so many other people there are very unique and this isn't like most summits oh my lord you know cookie cutter with my own self included in there is p it's this diversity of people some i haven't even heard uh who they are but they're just so interesting and that's what it's about it's not being done you

know as a one-off to just make money or something this is just a really beautiful event sharing solutions um see you're much indeed you should be proud proud in front of your son okay come on over bye that's beautiful my mom and my dad moved here you know where i live i live in like very remote place they they moved up here so i get to see them every day so anyways um uh they're coming to get the grant the their grandkids for a little um

st paddy's day uh celebration because we're irish awesome um but yeah man um the reunion summit i'm uh i hosting it with josh dale soul i put my heart and blood into this so you'll see my face over all the videos we did it in person so i know a lot of people are like oh not another freaking digital summit you know we did shoot this a half of more than half of the content was shot in joshua tree in persons like in a beautiful stage

environment like people camping and we're doing it again i'm gonna announce it to the world right now the first announcement there on your channel we are doing we're doing music in sky which is the in person festival uh july 4th the weekend of july 4th out by yosemite in northern california this is an open uh so this is an event that is not going to require any papers or any mastering thing this is a a a camping event that acknowledges sovereignty it'll have amazing talks by

a lot of people that are in the reunion summit they'll be there in person we do workshops and a lot of healing a lot of talk about crypto dancing music and fireworks wow that's amazing so yeah if you go to reunion summit you can then uh see music in sky is one of the sponsors follow that to the to the website we'll have more information pre-sales going live this week and that is an amazing event that i throw with my other partners there um and that's

something that is really true to my heart because we come in person and we we hug and we collaborate and that's so so important beautiful awesome i want to thank everyone who participated feel free to share this with those who may be interested and uh yeah we'll see you at the reunion summit starting very soon starting this saturday yeah saturday see you there all right okay thanks guys so much