Oto and Sayer's Instagram Live -- Real, Raw Conversation!

hello can you hear me yes i can hear you awesome thank you sir for joining me a little bit of a technical difficulty there in the beginning but i'm so happy that we were able to connect yes same here um so let me just introduce you and then we can get and get get started so this is uh and it's sayer right senior this is sergey he's founder of green med info which is the world's largest open access natural health database and international bestseller selling author

of regenerate unlocking your body's radical resilience through the new biology um first off thank you sir thank you for your time your energy i'm super grateful for having you here and i'm sure everyone that's watching is as well thanks for the invitation um i didn't realize we were going to be doing it on a wi-fi enabled device as we were trying to figure out a torque around yeah we're all taking it for a team right now just absorbing that emf force fields shields you know you

know it's funny i actually have uh because you know if you have a uh ipad or an iphone they have these these uh plugins and scene you can put a you can put an ethernet so we have those and i should have probably set that up as a backup so next time i do something like this uh but the other thing was we had to upgrade our software and that's like getting the mrna vaccine at this point you know like i've been hesitating to do it

due to how much more of my freedom is going to be but whatever we're here now so let's enjoy well i'm glad i'm happy for me i really appreciate it yeah um so you know i just want to start i guess by um you talking about yourself just a little bit about your past how you got to this point in your journey and and what was that red pill moment i like to call it that really shifted you towards pursuit of universal truths wow well thank

you i can only hope to be uh in alignment with the universal truth right can't we all uh well for me the red pill moment was really you know discovering medline you know which still is my base mission which is to make people aware as best as i can of all the research that exists supporting natural medicine and pointing to the downsides of pharmaceutical medicine and or vaccines but not based on my opinion based on the research itself which has been suppressed so the sort of

origin story of greenman info in my work was total censorship total gaslighting total misdirection and mainstream uh media vilification of those who would stand up and say hey guess what the wisdom of the ancients got us here and then now suddenly what it's dangerous to use essential oils and vitamin c to to take control of your health now we see that weaponized globally as far as the plandemic if you will uh not to get your channel uh de-boosted but yeah i know you always got to

be careful with the words at this point i mean i could care less if they take my account out because i'm waiting for that moment because it's just a moment of liberation back to creating the new platform and when i saw your brand decentralized i'm like i don't know this guy he doesn't know me very well but hey we need to talk because i'm all about this concept so uh yeah so so that's that's my sort of origin story in a few bullet points did you

have anything um because i know with many people uh if i could rewind even farther back did you have any any trauma or anything that happened in your life that kind of shook you out of that matrix reality yeah i mean my uh birth was traumatic and i think that's true for almost everyone only it's so deeply repressed and so being an infant with uh bronchial asthma episodes from six months onward where i needed to be injected with adrenaline to save my life so to speak

had they maybe identified cow's milk intolerance intergenerational emotional trauma yeah basic modalities that are flourishing right now i would have potentially never had been uh you know in the medical merry-go-round so about 10 operations later when i was i discovered cow's milk was at the root of my issue eliminated that but then it unwound into all the other layers because obviously we're not just physical beings we're psychospiritual emotional and i'm 48 now and i'm just started healing and not even stuff that's even mine so per

se it's from my parents and their parents and society constantly traumatizing us gaslighting us constantly so you know it's uh it's work we do here and then when we pass on we do it on the on in the other plane so it's like might as well just do it now you know and try to enjoy it i love it yeah it's a journey right it's like taking um taking the good and the bad and embracing it and then moving through it and healing yourselves through that

pain i love that amen um so this last year was pretty much the the big i i honestly believe it was the the great awakening this is the beginning of that of that careful sounds like i know right again you can't say awakening anymore because it's like means you're gonna storm the capital or something right i'm actually glad you said you said the 16 plus one there um when was when was the moment that you truly started speaking out for me for me was the beginning

of 2020 and i started pursuing this whole you know all that movement and really looking deep into the the data that's being presented to us uh was that the same for you or was it before it was pretty far uh in the past for me because when i started to get into agreement infos around 2007 and my uh you know my my first daughter she was uh being created and my uh wife at the time's womb and you know questions like vaccination are so not academic

anymore it's like wait they want to pump her with how many vaccines like at the moment of birth like what is this about so i went and looked at the literature to see you know what does the evidence say what did the scriptures say of the church of uh scientism and unfortunately there was nothing nothing that could convince me that that would be anything but an insane violation of her health and anyone else's health who participates in this ritual basically it's not evidence-based it's completely superstition

based and and so anyway that started me down the path and then over 10 years you know it became clear to me that like for example the eu commission had already decided they were gonna merge the vaccine passport and the actual passport back in 2019 and there was like it said 2021 was when they were going to do this so it's like i already kind of saw the writing on the wall they're going to try shutting us all down into this bio apartheid you know sort

of like digital gulag so but you know the victims at the time are the children and the infants the ones who you can't say vaccines cause brain damage certainly not autism so they were already gaslighting and vilifying and trying to take out people like myself and our brand so i already knew this was going to happen but now that adults are having to face this life or death decision and they can travel see their parents have a livelihood if they don't you know accept the mark

of the beast if you will it's it's totally it's not academic anymore and that's actually promising like you said it's like we're being forced to awaken in a way that we weren't when the kids were being sacrificed you know now it's not just parents it's actually everyone who has to consider this you know you say the thing about the passport um i've you know one of my biggest fears is they start to uh force that for actual travel for for going on airplanes what's your thoughts

on that because that's that's that's probably that that'll create such disconnection and seclusion on a grand scale that is just terrifying to even think about thanks by the way for all the great comments and people watching it always feels good doesn't it when you have all these it doesn't say it's like wow okay so what we're saying is meaningful in a way well my understanding of the situation is the more people that um initiate themselves into this future of a subhuman transhuman type of existence with

these messenger rna software systems which is how they're branded and marketed so this isn't conspiracy we are dealing with a bifurcation a speciation event where those who are aligned with natural law natural principles and those who are going into the technocratic transhumanistic realm are gonna just kind of be in different worlds and the world that they own includes like post 911 of course the global takeover of the uh air travel system under the auspices of saving people from terrorists well they transmogrified that into this is

the new global war on terror it's bioterrorism and humans are a threat because we have a microbiome and environment so we're terrorists we could be patient zero for a new global pandemic that could kill seven billion people this is literally the psyop they've dropped on us to put a hard stop between all the things that we once considered entitlements and they're going to then get people to consent because they're not forcing it i mean yeah in certain areas are forcing it but it's the consent process

so those who have decided to go ahead and get the vaccine you are you've just voted for the future and it looks like what orwell said you want to see a vision of future uh visualize a boot stomping on a human face forever and then he said if you don't want this to happen then do something about it but that's what's happening right now and that was written in what late 40s 1984 oh my god so so anyway that's dark that's gross it's triggering it's dark

so let's just say that the good news is i know the vast majority of people are not doing that and they're finding a way to resist stand up and just honor what they know is true which is that you do not want to risk your life and you know your genetic uh purity by doing such a just just completely sick thing you know so so in other words they're waiting on a critical mass to get beyond let's say 51 percent and then you'll have handmade style

you know it's her fault it's his fault and everyone pointing very weaponizing the the good nature of people like for the common good and virtue signaling until they're literally beating people up or just depriving them of life and and liberty and the ability to make a living because they won't participate in this ritual so every single person that does not do it is voting for a beautiful world that is going to come out of this kind of nightmarish scenario because i see as much light as

darkness if not more light actually at this moment you know i love that you you you called it the the church of scientism or the the rituals and you you really are putting a significance to how i mean there's like this shame around it if you don't believe it and so that's very important because that's uh you know in my my opinion it's that manufactured consent it's not just consent of like hey do you want to do this and you say yes no it's like this

like in process of indoctrinating and getting to that point where you just you start accepting because of fear because of not wanting to be locked down anymore absolutely yeah it's a literal thing because if you think about scientism which is really the belief that there's only one method one way to ascertain truth or what's actually real and that's science right even though it's actually a methodology not a destination there's no such thing as settled science that's an absurd contradiction well the implication is there could only

be one way to apply it which is medical monotheism which then you have something very much like the spanish inquisition they've already attempted to indict and you know burn natural health practitioners at the stake but now it's not just natural health people it's literally anyone who does not submit to this absolutely pseudoscientific or anti-scientific agenda that they're ramming down our throats with propaganda but is so obscenely illogical non-common sensical that really you you almost have to say okay at some point people that do consent to

this we just to let them go and be on their path but we're going to build a stronger more resilient community that people share our values and we're going to be just fine you know i this whole last year i had like i mentioned that in the beginning of the year i had this urge of speaking out and then three four months into it i started feeling this this need to save people like i gotta tell as many people as possible reach out and tell people

yeah and then i definitely got to a point at the end of the year where i you know i think i've set up expectations so high that i really got uh i didn't feel like it it kind of came to what i wanted it to be so um what would you recommend be the shift like what can people do now uh given you know having the perspective of this last year and the direction that we're going and like really just focusing on creating instead of i

guess you know trying to save well i want to honor the reality here which is you did step up and speak out you know because initially early in this situation i remember when i first really spoke up about the mass i started reporting on the world health organization cdc their guidelines specifically said mass are actually fomites they're vectors of transmission of respiratory uh community acquired disease it's quite the opposite of what this absurd psyop is about now and i had so much pushback i mean i

have hundreds of thousands of followers and email subscribers and when i started reporting on the science they're like oh you're crazy far right pro trump jerk like go to hell this projection you're like what are you and i was like oh my god really i'm referring to the cdc and the who's guidance but but i had to stand up and i kept doing it and i almost again probably lost my entire platform in the process i have basically been completely the platform now except for instagram

ironically even though we had two green men info pages deleted i'm not going back so you know again once i'm good gone from this uh it'll be good but but i think that's a beautiful thing because you did have an impact all of us did i mean i'm so happy we have a campaign through my nonprofit stand for healthfreedom.com which started in june a campaign that enabled you to contact your elected officials and say mass should only be voluntary and we've had over 300 000 people

well actually email sent it's less than 300 000 advocates that did those emails probably more like 150 and it's had a huge impact i know it you know like there's states that are now you know overturning this draconian executive order and uh it's looking good so but to answer your deeper questions like what do we do i believe we do the best we can to take radical good self-care for ourselves which is the most compassionate thing you can do right the buddha said something to the

effect if this is true we can attribute this to him that there's no one that deserves more love in the world than yourself you know what i mean like yeah the bodhisattva vow is that you never stop serving that's until everyone is is free everyone is is whole and and healed uh but you can't do it if you're exhausted and you start becoming like the monster that you're fighting right like vijay said be careful of that so you do it to the point where you're like

oh i'm so triggered and exhausted and pissed off that more people aren't doing what i'm doing and your little inner child's all upset and cranky and having a tantrum that's when you got to go back re-parent adult back up recharge take care of yourself maybe maybe do something good for yourself take a bath eat some chocolate whatever and you just get back on the horse again you know and there's more of us now than there ever have been i'm telling you man i i watched a

uh interview with alex zack and he was talking about with it was with lori lat i don't know if you know her as well but they were talking about yeah she's really into um grounding work and just a metaphysical a lot of metaphysical work but she talks about going back and forth the ebb and flow of being in it right and and allowing the ego to take over and you're like just in it and then stepping away and being an observer of yourself and like why

am i reacting this way why is this happening and i love that you said that about uh it really does start with loving ourselves and being aware of the signals that our body and creating that relationship with ourselves because how can we connect with each other if we're not connected to our bodies first yeah and it's like more the vibe like not to sound all new agey but you know i have a newsletter that puts out very triggering information like they're literally these groups that are

related to intelligence agencies in the uk and america that have targeted me and mikola and others as national security threats just because we peer viewed published science calling into question this absolutely crazy agenda right so but when i put out that information without me being part of it and i can't hold the space of like calmness and equanimity people get even more tweaked out and it's like from either side they're so cognitively dissonant and dis-eased that ultimately as agreement info founder am i spreading health or

pain and suffering in the world so i have to say man like i don't even my own publishing model is a bit outdated whereas live streams like this are amazing because we're holographic entities we contain an infinite amount of energy and intelligence within ourselves and and that's how when you show up your body doesn't lie people can pick up your vibe and yeah that's right that's exactly right that's i love that's why i love doing this stuff totally percent right and there is a there is

a connection that's happening right now this like transfers of energy between you and i and everybody watching it's etheric man like you and i or i'll say you right now give off the vibe to me or more trustworthiness than all 10 million washington post articles put together and what does that say right it's true and i'm sure we have our downsides too and our dark sides but the mainstream media is dead it's like an extinction level event that has occurred that's why they're locking down social

media right now because they know the power that just one viral video can have to disrupt their entire agenda just like bitcoin is doing to the whole financial system right extinction level events and it's totally amazing and revolutionary yeah i'm glad i actually brought that up because um you know i had to ask that question about what can we do what can we do to create this new earth and um i'm i've been in crypto since 2013 i've been trying to teach that and push that

out that at least that knowledge of decentralization and separating from the centralized governing system um i call it the um the the the peace the most peaceful protest against the system and and also what i've been trying to teach is it being the gamification of abundance really really really connecting the mindset of abundance and because it you know it starts with self do i deserve abundance do i deserve money and crypto is like creating this practical way of of obtaining that so what are your what

are your thoughts on crypto amen man i didn't realize you're such an evangelist no i mean i'm with you man like when max keiser you know it's hard to take him seriously but i'm taking him more and more seriously as his predictions come true he thinks bitcoin is a vote for world peace and that the fiat u.s dollar is an instrument of terror and just complete endless war and when you really break it down and understand the power dynamics the history the federal reserve you know

the um petro dollar it's like holy he's right this is literally the substrate for evil on the planet and one or two people get to control the dilution or debasement of every single dollar holding individual organization on the planet like in the past what is it 12 months they printed 33 percent more of our money trillions out of that yeah they just basically did a unlegislated tax slash theft of every single person's purchasing power of every asset that's dollar denominated so bitcoin is just reflecting the

revolution that's happening which is people are waking up even the banksters are realizing i could get the hell out of dollars and toxic dollar assets and get into bitcoin because the title wave that's happening by the way bitcoin's stateless which means there's no monopoly on violence which is the only reason why the dollar has any value is that we have the most to kill people and torture them with but bitcoin has none of that it's decentralized stateless permissionless restless and i want to make a point

because a lot of people are like well that's the that's the uh the the central currency like that's the one world currency and that they're in control they're in control like nobody's in control of bitcoin it's decentralized it's autonomous there's no boundary uh you know everywhere everyone owns a piece of the network so no one individual no not the few but the many and i think that's uh that's a concept that people need to pursue themselves they need to research themselves to understand it not just

listen to other people that are trying to protect the old centralized system absolutely it's so cool to know you got into it at 2013 so you're someone i want to stay in touch with because this is so you know exciting you know for people that are newer to it i got into it around 2017. it was andreas antonopoulos who yeah i i interviewed him back in the day i used to actually met him at a uh i met him at a conference yeah i've been to

like 20 different conferences in the last five or six years well i love this guy because he's a revolutionary he's explaining more about you know the philosophical societal transformative aspects of it because now it's wall street 2.0 and it's really getting you know shady so i just want people to understand that you know when it comes to the future the dollar is obviously toxic it's basically backed up by promises and trust bitcoin is different and fundamentally and that i think it is going to become the

world's reserve you know asset versus u.s treasuries and and gold so that's important for people to know moving forward it has its limitations obviously you need fiat to buy it or to get mining equipment to mine it so there's a power inequity there and then of course proof of stake like ethereum same problems the more coin you own the more power you have in the system to vote uh i like uh cardano's actually a little bit similar but chordal is a minting process where anyone can

get a share of it based on the access of time or participation so it's a completely different model so you know the decentralized web is coming and i think yeah i love i love that you mentioned that because um you know i call bitcoin the band-aid of the industry it's like you know bandage is the actual word but band-aid is just the marketing that happened around that name that's a brand name and so bitcoin became like the brand of the industry but it's that's not the

idea the idea is blockchain and people are creating they're so i think we're at the fourth or fifth evolution since bitcoin came out now where we're solving i mean you have nfts now non-fungible tokens that are going to facilitate like real estate transactions smart contracts on on a on a whole different scale um there's a new one i don't know if you because you guys are talking about portal and they i saw that they created a decentralized chat platform yes exactly it's uh sending information through

unconfirmed transactions on the blockchain that then disappear after 24 hours and there's no way that you can intermediate as far as i understand beyond obviously the hardware being compromised which is the case because all of these chips intel chips amd have back doors so they're but open source cpus get around that so the hardware and the software is evolving to the point where privacy will be protected and you can exchange information and value without intermediation by a third party and that is exactly exactly why centralization

has led to what we're seeing unfold around us which is like some neo-feudal neo-communist technocratic gulag that is being rolled out right now yeah i love that i you know and that's i think what is the key to understand about crypto is that we're we're still in the innovative stages we haven't passed the chasm of mainstream to mainstream yet we're still like literally creating uh the point is this is facilitating us to disconnect from that centralized system from that centralized governing system and really take back

control and power of our finances of our data of our of our you know internet access everything uh and i think that's beautiful i think it's really like a step forward it's like a practical way of really you know making your own passive income through it yeah i mean the thing is too is it's just treated as property by the irs and the sec so as long as you don't trade like you know all these crazy people just trying to do these trades like as if

it's just some kind of stock but you hold on to it it will appreciate and eventually be the new primary collateral layer that loans and interest is generated from so you just hold it and you get a low interest loan or you just hold it and you get interest from like gemini exchange is behind block five that's an example you get six percent interest banks right now are giving you like .0125 percent and they're going to go to negative interest rates soon so you can see

what's happening i mean that's an incredible parallel universe that's emerging for wealth preservation and creation for those who are willing to just hold that primary uh asset if you will you know so um i kind of wanted to shift a little bit uh the conversation um i know you're married to kelly brogan uh the doctor she's amazing oh there it is yeah i even have a cup with her name on it yeah i'm pretty into her for sure yes you are um you know i this

world really has gotten super disconnected we've especially because of 2020 um and i i've noticed that you and kelly have an amazing relationship such a strong relationship so what what is because i and i want to say that that in this disconnection in this process that we've gotten to ever get so disconnected we've lost that ability to connect not only with the people around us but like to mates because we're so close together in these small you know uh in the small spaces for so long

these lockdowns so what what is something that you guys do that you practice that helps facilitate that well i i can say i'm blessed because i found a woman you know a partner a soul mate if you will twin flame is really the more accurate description we really did go through the seven year right unfolding of like spiritual meat grinders more how i described the seven years it's just amazing so but the reality is that uh we um are both dedicated to self-work and re-parenting which

is a way of talking about just owning the fact that we have these traumatized infant child parts of ourselves that are actually divine archetypally but they have been so abused and misinterpreted that they're they're running rampant pulling the strings behind the scenes right manipulation uh tantrums uh neediness and like when you start to learn how to really embrace and start loving the parts of yourself that you don't even wanna share with yourself because you're so disgusted by them right because we're all meant to hate ourselves

whether we know it or not i mean when i was circumcised like day one i mean the stuff they do to like rip it uh you know totally to that screws with your soul and body probably for life i mean just to heal that one thing so my whole life i've done nothing but get traumatized i chose to experience that medically and then try to heal from it so i i was destined to meet someone like kelly whose life's work is taking 100 responsibility no victims

from allowed disorder diabetes or any other reason and that for that they basically tried to crucify her a burner at the stake and that's unfortunately where we're at today no one wants to hear that you're responsible for your health because there's this deadly invisible particle called covet 19 that's gonna cause the total world to shut down and reorganize itself this is the allopathic witchcraft that's been going on for hundreds of years it's convinced people you have no agency there's these invisible things demon viral particles that

only we have the ability to see because they're like quantum scale right you need a right you need an electron microscope to see them give me a freaking break they're exosomes or they're viral particles within the viral which is essential for us to be alive and to have the organs in our body it's all been so inverted which is why the new biology is so important it's really just the real biology describes you know in in terms that we can understand now so anyway so kelly

is um just part of the magic of my life where and by the way it's not easy we hold each other accountable constantly because we trigger each other in our woundedness and then we can't escape from it because like we want to run the hell out of here if we get triggered but we're married and we live we live together so that's the container that's created that's like a crucible but it's also going to produce diamonds and gems and you know spiritual rainbows you know so

that's kind of what's going on i love i love that i think um in a way i'm trying i'm going to try to summarize it so it's essentially having finding someone that is willing to work on themselves right individually be patient with each other through that growth and i guess be willing to call each other out that's not a problem for kelly that's all she does by her nature oh my god i'm one of the guy that wants to be polite like and cover stuff up

to be like you know like that's not kelly man she's just so real and honest and that's a beautiful thing but man that's that's like tough that's that's like med hard medicine when you first get it you know yeah yeah um so um tell me some tell me a little bit about the book regenerate i know you just came out with it in march right last year yeah it was in the middle of uh when the the world right in the beginning right yeah literally the

world's bookstores were closed it was the most poetic moment i know it was beautiful because i didn't rely on any conventional support to promote my book all i did was use my community give them an opportunity experience a master class i did for free on the topic and the book broke records i mean it could have very well made the nerd times but there are political reasons why it didn't it had the volume but you know for sure it was it was right i mean it

came out during a time where they were trying to go in one direction you're like no no it was like conflicting with the narrative i mean i didn't even address germ theory in the book had i i wish i had i had to do all that afterwards and i was so i felt so remiss because i had already discovered that exosomes provide a legitimate alternative explanation for what we believe is contagion and you know viral infectivity pathogenicity and i worked that that theory out i called

the xenogen hypothesis and i've done videos and written on it and it helps people understand that it's not just viruses don't exist or they're just deadly there is this middle realm and it makes sense when we start to understand what viral particles are and again they're often indistinguishable from exosomes which were first termed viral like particles because they are basically the same thing so anyway so this um book really was focused more on what i would say are the positive discoveries including things that are so

if you will aquarian that i still get a lot of joy out of just thinking about chapter three which is on the new uh biophysics of energy synthesis where i get into technologies that would probably even help explain et craft like extraterrestrial travel i mean it's literally based on things like water cavitation it's just it's like resonant science yeah i mean like kind of like nazim harriman and i've had yeah i was just about to mention that yeah yeah because actually there is overlap but i

referenced him in my book actually um he's one of the few people i referenced because he's so on you know the frontier and it does speak to things like free energy technology not just being some theoretical thing every single mitochondria in our body functions like a nano particle accelerator or cyclotron and is able to accelerate protons to relativistic speeds which then transform light into matter as well as transforms atoms into one another this biotransmutation going on like alchemy and it helps explain why people can live

literally for a decade or longer without food or water i mean i'm really this is what's so freaking exciting so in the middle of covert 19 it's like we're in the dark ages literally the same exact thinking and and here we're just trying to bring in the next aquarium age of where we can live sustainably well regeneratively don't want to give you the una more credit for the co-option of that term for millions of years without any impacts to the environment living off of water generating

infinite free energy as well as transforming water into the periodic chart through water cavitation it's in the book and that's the part that hasn't even got out there yet but some people have read it and they're like whoa yeah that's like just such a next level of awareness uh to be able to even grasp that that idea i think we can all do it because we are miracles in incarnate and people have experienced that when they felt grace or maybe they had plant medicine experience or

runner's high and you realize that it's a miracle that we existed that actually life is eternal and we have an internal immortal thread within our body which is actually the germ line of of the cells in our body which which so there's actually it's actually very interesting on mysticism biology and physics are now completely converging it's all connected yeah exactly you know you sound you sound like a person that has done plant medicine i have myself uh i don't know if you want to share what

kind of medicine you've done if you have i would love to because for me the category of plant medicine stretches from literally pretty much anything we can eat in plant form all the way up to like ayahuasca grandmother right yes i've had experiences post-fasting with apples where i've literally meditated with them and and hear them sing to me about their their inner nature right like don't eat eat my beautiful flesh but don't eat my seed like let it pass through you like that kind of thing

that is how the indigenous peoples live there was no distinction between like waking and dreaming necessarily like this is all um part of what happened to traumatize and bifurcate you know the western psyche you know there's the origin of consciousness and the breakdown of the bicameral mind by uh his name's uh james uh something uh julian james and it's a good good example of this mythopoetic default state that we used to live in where we literally identified ourself here in certain cultures versus you know the

ego behind the brain or whatever the hell we think and how you know for for many people plant medicine or psychiatric disorders if you will spiritual breakthroughs that's how they return to this more primal mythos the logos is subtended by the mentos and and so anyways so plant medicine i've yes i've experienced plant medicine there are many forms of plant medicine you don't need to take anything outside of yourself but these technologies offer a type of healing of trauma that i believe here's my explanation we

are a post cataclysmic species like i believe right 13 000 i think it was bc was it there was a major event probably a meteor and we had the flood civilization was pretty wiped out and we had high civilizations going back some people say lamoria atlantis moo i mean there's actually a lot of evidence for this yeah yeah there's so i don't know we literally had to scratch ourselves out from the dirt over the past 13 000 plus years to where we are now in order

to start to recover ancient knowledge and technology because there is technology through sound which we when we whisper we have ultrasound that can induce cavitation in water which can produce temperatures that are the same as found on the surface of the sun when you look at the perfectly mitered stone in in these ancient megaliths like throughout the world that technology is so beyond what we have today so my point really is more around we have experienced a lot of trauma as a species and plant medicines

have been there since the beginning of time to help clear the slate and produce in us as paul stamens talks about with the stoned a hypothesis that a real leader is both fearless and compassionate and that's what these mushroom technologies for example elicit when you go through the heroic journey like joseph campbell talks about so if you're willing to go take that heroic journey which i have in the past i don't do this very much at this point because i'm trying to just allow things to

unfold with me being in complete agency because there's a dark side to that realm as well but i think that they will help to heal our species so i do give great um value and i honor those technologies they are so beautiful but they have to be used carefully yes i agree with that uh somebody once told me um like for with with weed for example marijuana she's like she'll help you uh up until a point and then she'll take that away and then show you

some darkness uh so there's definitely there's definitely is a i like to call it you know there's like medicinal there's recreational and then there's ritual right there's the ritualistic look at um practice of these of these uh uh plant medicines and doing it with with an intention and not just like doing it willy-nilly or to stop a symptom or something absolutely when i was in college i remember that exact thing happened is like you know a lot of people in my college you know cannabis i

went to a few dead shows there's a certain point where it was like a mama bear and you're like this baby bear trying to you know suckle and she's like no like she gets almost violent because it's time for you to individuate and these wise plants know that they don't want us dependent and that will happen sometimes so yes and i love your differentiation that's really wise and you know we didn't have that when we stumbled upon these technologies i you know my generation uh but

i think now there's more wisdom around to help guide us in their use um so i had a question uh this whole last year really showed a side of people a very reactive side to people because of this like separation of earth you have the people you know really embedding because it one one of two things that has happened in this society this last year either you completely disconnected from it and became aware and be like nope not going to be a part of that hologram

or if the fear drove you harder into it into the matrix so there's been conflict tons of conflict people wanting to go to stores and you know not wearing the muff muff you know the muzzle and then others coming up and going like why aren't you doing it yeah you're putting me in you know in a situation so what would you recommend what is a practice that you do that helps you through that that those moments right between the having the stimuli and the reaction there's

like that little space in between where you make a choice wow that's a good question well i know for me it's breathing you know it's i know it sounds kind of like you know every day but just when i feel my blood pressure my emotions get breathing is really important you know it's because whenever i make decisions with a certain karmic energetic valence you know the effect is going to be similar and it can just escalate you know my understanding of what really transpired in the

past year was this was a very highly architected set of events that occurred where the ultimate goal was to sow division and antagonize a dialectic between us acro across all possible dimensions race sex gender religion economic caste everything and that was the actual goal and it still is so when they're in other words the powers that beer are literally funding the health freedom movement and they're funding the people trying to shut it down and they're you know there's agent provocateurs involved there's all this going on

in order to de-center us and capture our anger and fear it's like a battery that this thing runs off of right so it's not to say you just sit at home and you just breathe and you just like stay out of the world but you try to find some middle ground and again never lose control of your equanimity if possible because our whole credibility is really more based on that than anything you know it's when you get all angry and pissed off you're just like the

people that you're angry and pissed off at well actually the people the trillionaire slash billionaire class pulling the strings i don't think they're so traumatized they don't even connect to what decent people feel or know they're they're they're just not even here it doesn't mean that they're aliens it just means they're just intergenerationally so traumatized and dehumanized that they they're just vectors of pain and and to them ai is the ultimate solution and that's what they're going for you know they want to control every single

thing on this planet using technology and um to the degree that we stay in our heart and evolve this incredible technology of the heart that is gonna guide us through this not the mind anymore that's where they control right ones and zeros right or wrong off on that's where they dominate us yeah it's um somebody said the other day in an interview where oh it was that dr tommy john uh where because i asked him like what's this new earth going to look like if money

isn't the currency and it's like energetic exchange like how we how we are in our emotions how we are in our interactions what our intentions are that's going to be the true currency our skills what we can offer to each other this is so beautiful i've come to the same conclusion as the fiat system implodes you know and say you don't have any crypto you don't have anything what you have is your gift which is invaluable and absolutely unique and it is the basis for all

value in the world it's the basis upon everything that the system captures and then tries to collect and then weaponize against us so that means when you identify your gift which is a beautiful thing that's all as parents we want to do for our children and that's all we wanted from our parents to do for us so do it and when you identify it's going to just beam out you're going to attract others with their gifts and you're going to want to exchange the value and

this is the basis for the new economy and if we can use crypto as a medium of exchange or something like quartz from chordal that is going to be the new way that we decide okay maybe i'm a reiki practitioner and i don't just want your chicken chicken eggs you know there's only so much so we'll have some medium of exchange we agree on it could be an ithaca dollar it could be whatever but in the meantime the ultimate way that you gain prosperity abundance freedom

health and a feeling of safety is identifying your gift because that that's from god that's directly from god i love that yeah you know i asked my i have a therapist who's also a clairvoyant i asked her what's the meaning of life just you know that basic question she said well find your gift and share it that's that's boom make that's the beauty of the silver lining of this craziness out there is that believe it or not that is the most simple and most beautiful thing

that could heal the entire planet yeah um you know i i appreciate this conversation this was uh very very uh healing for me uh just gave me so much perspective that i never had before um is there is there something you want to leave everyone with or maybe do you have another book that you're writing no plug that was a difficult process i wouldn't do that to myself right now although i thought of something but no i'm actually involving myself very deeply in the chordal project

just as an advocate because i see something in it that i think can solve a good number of the problems that we face and it's a passion project for me at this point i'm just going ahead and donating time resources and connecting people to understand it and become part of it because it literally involves us all creating the new internet and as you do that and you run a node on the internet you're minting the coin which everyone gets a fair share of so it's like

potlatch you know it's like an abundance type of situation like a potluck really uh and i i love that man that's like to me and then i'm also a father so that is congratulations thank you and and you know that's a thing that it's for life and from past lives as well and that will be my most important work i imagine um so that's what i'm focusing a lot of my attention and energy on and that's actually that's that's gonna heal me too so it's you

know it's always works that way so otherwise uh we'll see where it goes but man i really enjoy this conversation too i feel like i connected to a brother and i didn't know i had one out there so i i always loved i always loved doing these lives because then it's like you start to have those connections that you don't expect and you're like oh this guy's the best yeah no absolutely and everyone who's watching too it's awesome we had such great feedback and uh yeah

it feels it always feels good for sure thank you so much sayer i really appreciate your time and your energy i'm so grateful and everyone watching thank you i'll make sure to post this because this was a amazing powerful interview thank you thank you so much okay all right have a good day bye guys